Part, Curing AIDS Victims & Debunking Deadly Medical/Media Drug Dogma
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GARY NULL:
Recently, I have been advising people who are going to their
physicians to get full-spectrum viral analyses done. Now these are
people who have no risk factors. They don't smoke. They're
vegetarians. They have not had any unsafe sex. They don't drink. 
In other words, people whom we would say are the healthiest of the
healthy in our society. Many of them are runners. People of all
ages. And what we have found is that virtually ALL of the viruses,
except HIV, are in all of these people. In other words, they had
titers of Epstein-Barr virus and cytomegalovirus and SE-40[?] and
adeno[?] and herpes and so on. BUT they had no symptoms. They were
completely well. If you looked at all other health indicators  
except the viral load, you would say that there is nothing wrong
with these persons.  That tells me that these [viruses] are
completely natural. They are virtually endemic in the vast majority
of Americans. And just to say that a person has a virus, in and of
itself, should not be the indicator for starting an aggressive
treatement, but rather, whether it is at a higher or lower titer,
and whether there are lifestyle factors that the person is engaging
in that would exacerbate that [viral condition]. And I think that
that has not been looked at adequately at all.

DR. BERNSTEIN:
Well, consider the fact that over half of all Americans are infected
for most of their lives with cytomegalovirus. Almost all Americans
end up being infected with Epstein-Barr virus at some point in their
lives, and they carry that around for the rest of their lives. You
can never get rid of it. And yet, the number of people with an
active infection is less than one-hundredth of one percent at any
given time. We are all carrying the viruses around. As long as 
we're healthy, these viruses do absolutely nothing to us. And I'm
sure that that is true of HIV and the vast majority of other 
viruses, as well.

GARY NULL: But that wouldn't be true for people who have been on
extensive antibiotic treatment for chronic fatigue syndrome who 
have exacerbation of their condition. The same for Lyme disease.
And we're not looking at the iatrogenic [illnes induced by the
treatment itself] factor, the fact that we have taken the idea, as 
a common model in medicine that you must attack and destroy a
disease, knowing that you're also destroying the body, but you
figure that maybe you can kill the virus or bacteria before you 
kill the body. And that is just a very unreasonable way of
approaching disease.

DR. BERNSTEIN:
Well certainly, if you're going to treat it with antibiotics, you
have to be aware -- and unfortunately, I've run into many 
physicians who aren't -- that most antibiotics will take out trace
elements: zinc, selenium, things like that that are crucial for
immune system function. Many of them actually operate by the
antibiotic. They bind up folate, for example, or some of the other
vitamins that are essential to immune system function. That's fine
if you're treating a healthy person with a two-week course of
antibiotics. It's not fine if you're going to treat people
chronically. And yet, I've met almost no physician who replaces
whatever the antibiotic has taken out or even thinks to look to see
if things are BEING eliminated from the body that need to be
replaced.

GARY NULL:
Dr. Bernstein, last night when we were talking, you mentioned that
there was something that most people don't understand about
hemophiliacs and AIDS.  Could you share that information with the
audience?

DR. BERNSTEIN:
Well, most hemophiliacs in the United States are now infected with
HIV.  However, the rate at which they develop AIDS is less than a
third of the rate at which anyone else does. And the longer the 
AIDS epidemic has existed, the more hemophiliacs are surviving
without any complications. I think this is very interesting because
we have, in a sense, a control group who are all infected and,
unless they have chronic active hepatitis or they're using very,
very large amounts -- as, for example, Ryan White had to do -- of
this factor concentrate that is full of all sorts of junk, they are
surviving just fine. It's the people who are very severe, who are
getting lots of blood transfusions ..... You have to realize that
hemophiliacs also have other immune-suppressive risks. They're 
often treated with cortico-steroids and things like that that are
immune-suppressive; or with joint injuries. Because of bleeding in
the joints, they get gold salts which, again, are immune-
suppressive. People who have rheumatism or arthritis are sometimes
treated with these. There are a lot of things that get thrown in
here which we don't consider as AIDS risks, but are present.     
And yet, even so, hemophiliacs are very, very healthy.

GARY NULL:
Okay.  Thank you very much, Dr. Bernstein. We look forward to your
book in mid-March.

DR. ROOT BERNSTEIN:
Thank you.

GARY NULL:
Michael Ellner, to close out the program today, Mike, I'd like for
you to talk about some of the ways that you've seen people who came
to your group with AIDS who have made improvements.

MICHAEL ELLNER:
There's no single recipe, but I will say that people who have
followed programs that are very similar to your own protocol, to 
the Hotis[sp] protocol, to Natural Hygiene .... There's a new
product out of Australia called abaca[sp] which really seems to be
very promising. It's not an AIDS treatment, but it helps the immune
system to build itself up, and it seems to be helping all the 
people we know who are using it. But mostly, it's good health
habits. And it's buying out of the dogma that HIV equals AIDS  
equals death. I wish Dr. Bernstein would include in his risk 
factors intense and chronic fear. People who test HIV [positive]
live in constant terror. And when you're around it -- and I know
that you've seen it -- you realize that this can undermine the
immune system. 

Also, I would be very willing to be injected with pure HIV, as 
would Dr. Peter Duesberg and Brian Ellison, if this would
demonstrate, once and for all, that HIV does not cause AIDS.     
And if it would get the attention that it deserves, I would
certainly  offer myself up. I am CONVINCED that HIV is not the 
cause of AIDS. I don't even think that it's a factor. I think   
it's discourteous to keep on calling it a "co-factor." It hasn't
demonstrated any sufficient role in AIDS. Yet, they keep
concentrating on it.
                        (to be continued)
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