Article 20860 of alt.conspiracy:
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From: jad@hopper.ACS.Virginia.EDU (John DiNardo)
Subject: Part 5, Curing AIDS Victims & Debunking Deadly Medical/Media Drug Dogma
Message-ID: <1993Feb26.174055.23526@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
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Keywords:  Curing AIDS Victims & Debunking Deadly Medical/Media Drug Dogma
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 17:40:55 GMT
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        The following transcript is of a tape-recorded broadcast  
        by NO-commercials, NO-corporate-influences, listener-funded,
        beacon-of-truth Pacifica Radio Network station of the People: 
                   WBAI-FM (99.5)
                   505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
                   New York, NY 10018       (212) 279-0707

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DR. BERNSTEIN:
Step Two is to go on and show that you can cause the disease by
injecting a purified form of the disease agent into an animal or
another human being. In the past, for things like yellow fever, 
they actually had human volunteers. Nobody has volunteered in this
case, nor would I blame anyone for not volunteering. It certainly
has not been done in the formal sense. Actually, there is evidence
of people who have limited exposure to HIV: people who work in
laboratories, medical personnel and sexual partners of hemophiliacs
and blood transfusion patients -- people who have been shown to be
infected, people who have gotten rid of the infection and, in some
cases, who have even lost the antibody to the HIV, and have 
remained perfectly healthy. This certainly suggests that HIV is not
sufficient to cause AIDS in a healthy human being.

You should be able to cause the disease. You should be able to
reisolate it and transmit it to another human being or organism.
So far, we have no evidence that we can transmit HIV to another
organism and cause disease. Chimpanzees and macaques have been
infected. I've talked to people who have done these experiments.
They have had infected animals since 1982 or 1983, and not a single
one of these animals .... Although they have developed antibodies
and they can show that the HIV is present in their T cells, but 
none of them have felt any symptoms of low T cell counts or any 
symptoms of AIDS.  We have NO evidence that HIV, by itself, does 
anything whatsoever.

GARY NULL:
Okay. Please hold on the line, Dr. Bernstein. I want to come back 
to you. I want to go over now to Michael Ellner.

Michael is an individual who is unique in our society. He has been
spending his full time helping persons with AIDS with a group
called HEAL.  And, Michael, you've come up with some new information
that you're concerned about that we should be concerned about. 
Please share it with us.

MICHAEL ELLNER:
They are now touting, as of February 4th, in New York Newsday that
there is a new HIV test for newborns which will allow them to    
so-called "identify HIV infections" in these infants -- which is a
total misrepresentation -- so that they can get earlier treatment 
with AZT and the various prophylaxes.  This is nothing short of
medical genocide. Babies born HIV-positive almost never have active
infections, but merely show their parents' antibodies, in which
case, what usually happens is, as the baby's own natural defense
system matures (usually within eighteen months), they shed the
antibody. Except in the very few instances where the mothers were
active alcoholics, active drug users or had active other problems
and infections, these babies are okay.

Now, this is clearly a case of HIV overkill and hysteria. Most
babies born HIV-positive (some studies have it over eighty percent.
Some studies have it around seventy percent) show that it's not a
true infection. And in many cases, the baby is just showing the
mother's antibody status. In fact, in many of these cases, even the
mother is not infected. 

Just testing HIV-positive on the standard tests does not confirm an
active infection.  It merely demonstrates viral immunity and
exposure. And, as consumers, people are being misled. Infection is
not the same thing. Particularly, Root Bernstein just talked about 
people having active cytomegalovirus infections or active hepatitis
infections as part of the multi-causal. Simply showing an antibody
isn't an active infection. I think this [medical/media decree]       
is very dangerous.

And I believe that when you see which babies are affected, which
newborns, it will be people of color and the poor. The way that it
will be set up is that they're now talking about doing these tests
more routinely, maybe without the parents' consent, if the parent 
is at risk. In saying that they're trying to save the babies, I
think this is a great fraud.

Also, I want to say, Gary, that having had the opportunity to work
with you behind the scenes -- I know how hard you worked to help
Arthur Ashe help himself. I was there. I saw all the work you were
doing. And I think that they have made two misrepresentations in 
his story.
ONE: They keep presenting him as someone who demonstrates that
anyone can get AIDS.  Anything BUT that is true!  He was a person 
with very serious health risks. And, as you've been saying over and
over again -- and I agree; and I think Root Bernstein also confirms
it -- what we're seeing is that people who develop AIDS have
preexisting and serious health risks, rather than simply being
exposed to HIV.  So I think that you did a terrific job, and it's
sad that he wasn't able to take advantage of all the hard work you
did on his behalf.

GARY NULL:
Well, it is sad because they're not going to look at the reality.
And the reality is that no one is going to challenge his medication.

MICHAEL ELLNER:
Exactly!

GARY NULL:
I didn't see a word written that this man was taking THE
controversial drug, AZT -- or DDI, or DDC; that he was immune-
suppressed; that he was cachexic. When I was with Bill McCreary at
Fox Television and we were talking, and Bill said to him, off camera
-- and this was in the lobby of the Apollo Theater. He said:
"Arthur, are you going to take this alternative approach?" 
And Arthur said: "I'm working with Gary. I've looked at all the
stuff. He has given me tons of stuff to read about people who are
alive and well. And it looks very promising."  And then, Arthur
left. And Bill said: "I hope he does it because he does NOT look
well."  And I said: "It's my opinion that he cannot make it another
three months, based upon the deterioration in his muscle tissue." 
He was SEVERELY malnourished. And I asked him: "Arthur, have your
doctors done a nutritional profile?"   "No."   And I said: "At the
very least, even if you don't take the protocol, come in and start
taking a vitamin drip. We'll get some B vitamins and vitamin C. Try
to stop some of this [illness] progression on a nutritional level."
And he said: "Oh, I'm into this. I take my vitamin C each day!"
I said: "How much?"  He said: "500 milligrams."   I said: "500
milligrams? Arthur, we're talking about STARTING at 50,000
milligrams. 500 milligrams, when you're in advanced stages of 
immune suppression is NOT going to make a major difference."
He says: "Well, you know, my DOCTORS say ....."    And suddenly, 
it was back to the doctors.  And yet, here are the doctors standing 
out there as if somehow they should share in the understanding of
this condition. I'm sure they did the best they could. But it isn't
the best that COULD be done. And so, people are going to think that:
"Well, there it is.  You have HIV.  You have AIDS.  And you die!"
                        (to be continued)
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          This information could benefit millions of people who
          have, or who will have the HIV virus. So please help to
          disseminate it by posting the episodes of this ongoing
          series to computer bulletin boards, and by posting 
          hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus.

                John DiNardo

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                P.O. Box 918
                Planetarium Station
                New York, NY 10024

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